egg changed the topic of #principia to: Logs: https://esper.irclog.whitequark.org/principia | <scott_manley> anyone that doubts the wisdom of retrograde bop needs to get the hell out | https://xkcd.com/323/ | <egg> calculating the influence of lamont on Pluto is a bit silly…
<queqiao--> <R​-T​-B​> I have the old cfg I used somewhere, stand by one second
<queqiao--> <R​-T​-B​> so it looks like I did something like this ```@Kopernicus {
<queqiao--> <R​-T​-B​> @Body[Vall] {
<queqiao--> <R​-T​-B​> @Orbit {
<queqiao--> <R​-T​-B​> semiMajorAxis = 49700595.866835564
<queqiao--> <R​-T​-B​> }
<queqiao--> <R​-T​-B​> }
<queqiao--> <R​-T​-B​> @Body[Tylo] {
<queqiao--> <R​-T​-B​> @Orbit {
<queqiao--> <R​-T​-B​> semiMajorAxis = 90867761.53320013
<queqiao--> <R​-T​-B​> }
<queqiao--> <R​-T​-B​> }
<queqiao--> <R​-T​-B​> @Body[Bop] {
<queqiao--> <R​-T​-B​> @Orbit {
<queqiao--> <R​-T​-B​> inclination = 165
<queqiao--> <R​-T​-B​> semiMajorAxis = 141820511.8491002
<queqiao--> <R​-T​-B​> }
<queqiao--> <R​-T​-B​> }
<queqiao--> <R​-T​-B​> }
<queqiao--> <R​-T​-B​> check those parameters though, there's a nonzero chance that's for my nonstock based system in some capacity
<_whitenotifier-3b5f> [Principia] Krazy0 commented on issue #4239: Crash when attaching the prediction of a vessel - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/issues/4239#issuecomment-3111596095
<queqiao--> Reply to "R​-T​-B​: so it looks like I did something like this ```@Kopernicus { @Body[Vall] { @Orbit { ..."
<queqiao--> <t​he​ b​oz​o> hey i'm the guy, i did correctly install the patch but i'm still getting the apocalypse error message upon loading up a preexisting save
<queqiao--> <R​-T​-B​> so it looks like I did something like this ```@Kopernicus {
<queqiao--> <R​-T​-B​> @Body[Vall] {
<queqiao--> <R​-T​-B​> @Orbit {
<queqiao--> <R​-T​-B​> semiMajorAxis = 49700595.866835564
<queqiao--> <R​-T​-B​> }
<queqiao--> <R​-T​-B​> }
<queqiao--> <R​-T​-B​> @Body[Tylo] {
<queqiao--> <R​-T​-B​> @Orbit {
<queqiao--> <R​-T​-B​> semiMajorAxis = 90867761.53320013
<queqiao--> <R​-T​-B​> }
<queqiao--> <R​-T​-B​> }
<queqiao--> <R​-T​-B​> @Body[Bop] {
<queqiao--> <R​-T​-B​> @Orbit {
<queqiao--> <R​-T​-B​> inclination = 165
<queqiao--> <R​-T​-B​> semiMajorAxis = 141820511.8491002
<queqiao--> <R​-T​-B​> }
<queqiao--> <R​-T​-B​> }
<queqiao--> <R​-T​-B​> }
<queqiao--> <t​he​ b​oz​o> i'm a bit at a loss
<queqiao--> <R​-T​-B​> Well it won't bail out a preexisting save
<queqiao--> <R​-T​-B​> you need to start a fresh game
<queqiao--> <R​-T​-B​> the universe state in Principia is determined at game start
<queqiao--> <R​-T​-B​> the only thing you might be able to do
<queqiao--> <t​he​ b​oz​o> yeah but the thing is it does correctly update the bodies' orbits if princpia is not installed
<queqiao--> <R​-T​-B​> is uninstall principia, and then reinstall it, resetting the state
<queqiao--> <R​-T​-B​> but you may get vessels going way out of whack if you've gone beyond Kerbin at all
<queqiao--> <R​-T​-B​> that's all I know, anyways
<queqiao--> <t​he​ b​oz​o> alright, thanks
<queqiao--> <t​he​ b​oz​o> so what's happening is it's ignoring the patch and computing forwards from where everything was at t = 0
<_whitenotifier-3b5f> [Principia] Krazy0 opened issue #4253: Eve PE marker missing - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/issues/4253
<_whitenotifier-3b5f> [Principia] Nazfib commented on issue #4253: Eve PE marker missing - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/issues/4253#issuecomment-3111713558
<_whitenotifier-3b5f> [Principia] Krazy0 commented on issue #4191: Request: add focus buttons - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/issues/4191#issuecomment-3111991976
<_whitenotifier-3b5f> [Principia] Krazy0 closed issue #4253: Eve PE marker missing - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/issues/4253
<_whitenotifier-3b5f> [Principia] Krazy0 commented on issue #4253: Eve PE marker missing - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/issues/4253#issuecomment-3112000286
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<_whitenotifier-3b5f> [Principia] WARD000000 opened issue #4254: game crashes approx. 18 days in every time - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/issues/4254
<_whitenotifier-3b5f> [Principia] pleroy commented on issue #4254: game crashes approx. 18 days in every time - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/issues/4254#issuecomment-3113155308
<_whitenotifier-3b5f> [Principia] WARD000000 commented on issue #4254: game crashes approx. 18 days in every time - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/issues/4254#issuecomment-3113359345
<_whitenotifier-3b5f> [Principia] pleroy closed issue #4254: game crashes approx. 18 days in every time - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/issues/4254
<_whitenotifier-3b5f> [Principia] pleroy commented on issue #4254: game crashes approx. 18 days in every time - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/issues/4254#issuecomment-3113415965
<_whitenotifier-3b5f> [Principia] WARD000000 commented on issue #4254: game crashes approx. 18 days in every time - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Principia/issues/4254#issuecomment-3113441344
<queqiao--> Reply to "R​-T​-B​: you need to start a fresh game"
<queqiao--> <t​he​ b​oz​o> i ended up getting there, the way to do it was to uninstall parallax and retrobop.cfg, then install principia and reinstall parallax afterwards
<queqiao-> ⟨ShlonkeyJouves⟩ Has anyone experienced a bug when EVAing in atmosphere where the navball reference frame changes and the game things youre going at like 25k/s and then crashing the game?
<queqiao-> ⟨ShlonkeyJouves⟩ i forgot my lander parachute so wanted to land with kerbal parachute but its impossible ;(
<_whitenotifier-3b5f> [Skopos] Leo-MathGuy commented on issue #46: Entering and exiting Tracking Station triggers full round of SLA warnings - https://github.com/mockingbirdnest/Skopos/issues/46#issuecomment-3114065026
<queqiao--> Reply to "t​he​ b​oz​o: i ended up getting there, the way to do it was to uninstall parallax and retrobop.cfg, th..."
<queqiao--> <C​la​ye​l> ive added your instructions to the faq, thanks
<queqiao--> Reply to "C​la​ye​l: ive added your instructions to the faq, thanks"
<queqiao--> <t​he​ b​oz​o> thank you so much
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<queqiao--> Reply to "C​la​ye​l: ive added your instructions to the faq, thanks"
<queqiao--> <e​gg​> While the bozo reports that this sequence of steps led to the right place, I do not think that most of it is needed, nor that it should be recommended.
<queqiao--> <C​la​ye​l> why not?
<queqiao--> <e​gg​> Because most of these things are not that stateful.
<queqiao--> <C​la​ye​l> what should you do then?
<queqiao--> <s​ic​he​lg​ai​ta​> I question the wisdom of putting in the FAQs this kind of voodoo steps that might have been useful in a particular case but that nobody double-checked.
<queqiao--> <e​gg​> On an unrelated note, 🌑 https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Henri_Lambert
<queqiao--> Reply to "s​ic​he​lg​ai​ta​: I question the wisdom of putting in the FAQs this kind of voodoo steps that might have be..."
<queqiao--> <C​la​ye​l> what is the answer then?
<queqiao--> Reply to "C​la​ye​l: what should you do then?"
<queqiao--> <s​ic​he​lg​ai​ta​> Create a new save. That's all that is needed. We really don't know what the bozo had on their machine or what exact operations they did.
<queqiao--> <e​gg​> (Which is what RTB suggested, incidentally.)
<queqiao--> <s​ic​he​lg​ai​ta​> Because there is no statefulness beyond a save. Principia absolutely doesn't care what other mods are installed.
<queqiao--> <C​la​ye​l> but a new save isnt always needed when installing principia, right? isnt the usual advice that its only needed when crafts are on interplanetary trajectories?
<queqiao--> <e​gg​> In any case, transiently uninstalling Parallax is useless at best (though it might be a good way to corrupt the save, since the existence of Parallax changes the state of the solar system).
<queqiao--> <e​gg​> Just revert that change to the readme.
<queqiao--> <e​gg​> (I’ll do it.)
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<queqiao--> <t​he​ b​oz​o> uninstalling parallax allowed principia to automatically adjust the positions of the celestials
<queqiao--> <t​he​ b​oz​o> it is important to note that this should be done on a save file that has not been already influenced by principia (for example one of the backup saves)
<queqiao--> <t​he​ b​oz​o> fresh save is unnecessary for this type of operation